Legislature(2023 - 2024)ADAMS 519

02/28/2023 01:30 PM House FINANCE

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01:31:55 PM Start
01:33:05 PM HB39 || HB41
01:33:07 PM Fy 24 Budget Overview: Department of Education and Early Development
02:41:28 PM Presentation: History of the Base Student Allocation Formula: Legislative Finance Division
03:49:34 PM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+= HB 39 APPROP: OPERATING BUDGET/LOANS/FUND; SUPP TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+= HB 41 APPROP: MENTAL HEALTH BUDGET TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+ Overview: FY 2024 Budget by Acting Commissioner TELECONFERENCED
Heidi Tesher and Sabrina Javier, Administrative
Services Director, Department of Education and
Early Development
+ Presentation: History of Base Student TELECONFERENCED
Allocation Formula by Alexi Painter, Director,
Legislative Finance Division
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
                  HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                       
                     February 28, 2023                                                                                          
                         1:31 p.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:31:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Johnson called the  House Finance Committee meeting                                                                    
to order at 1:31 p.m.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative DeLena Johnson, Co-Chair                                                                                         
Representative Julie Coulombe                                                                                                   
Representative Mike Cronk                                                                                                       
Representative Alyse Galvin                                                                                                     
Representative Sara Hannan                                                                                                      
Representative Andy Josephson                                                                                                   
Representative Dan Ortiz                                                                                                        
Representative Will Stapp                                                                                                       
Representative Frank Tomaszewski                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Bryce Edgmon, Co-Chair                                                                                           
Representative Neal Foster, Co-Chair                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Heidi Teshner, Acting  Commissioner, Department of Education                                                                    
and  Early   Development;  Sabrina   Javier,  Administrative                                                                    
Services  Director,   Department  of  Education   and  Early                                                                    
Development; Deb Riddle,  Operations Manager, Innovation and                                                                    
Education  Excellence,  Department  of Education  and  Early                                                                    
Development;  Dr. Amy  Philips-Chan,  Director, Division  of                                                                    
Libraries, Archives  and Museums; Alexei  Painter, Director,                                                                    
Legislative Finance Division.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
HB 39     APPROP: OPERATING BUDGET/LOANS/FUND; SUPP                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
          HB 39 was HEARD and HELD in committee for further                                                                     
          consideration.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
HB 41     APPROP: MENTAL HEALTH BUDGET                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
          HB 41 was HEARD and HELD in committee for further                                                                     
          consideration.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
FY  24 BUDGET  OVERVIEW: DEPARTMENT  OF EDUCATION  AND EARLY                                                                    
DEVELOPMENT                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
PRESENTATION:  HISTORY   OF  THE  BASE   STUDENT  ALLOCATION                                                                    
FORMULA: LEGISLATIVE FINANCE DIVISION                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Johnson reviewed the meeting agenda.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 39                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     "An  Act making  appropriations for  the operating  and                                                                    
     loan  program  expenses  of state  government  and  for                                                                    
     certain   programs;    capitalizing   funds;   amending                                                                    
     appropriations;    making   reappropriations;    making                                                                    
     supplemental   appropriations;  making   appropriations                                                                    
     under art.  IX, sec.  17(c), Constitution of  the State                                                                    
     of  Alaska,  from  the  constitutional  budget  reserve                                                                    
     fund; and providing for an effective date."                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 41                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     "An  Act making  appropriations for  the operating  and                                                                    
     capital    expenses   of    the   state's    integrated                                                                    
     comprehensive mental health  program; and providing for                                                                    
     an effective date."                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:33:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
^FY 24  BUDGET OVERVIEW:  DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION  AND EARLY                                                                  
DEVELOPMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:33:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
HEIDI TESHNER, ACTING  COMMISSIONER, DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION                                                                    
AND EARLY DEVELOPMENT, introduced  herself and relayed there                                                                    
were  numerous  people  from the  department  available  for                                                                    
questions.  She provided  a  PowerPoint presentation  titled                                                                    
"Department  of  Education   and  Early  Development  FY2024                                                                    
Budget Overview,"  dated February  28, 2023 (copy  on file).                                                                    
She  began  with  the   department's  mission,  vision,  and                                                                    
purpose on slide 2:                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Mission:                                                                                                                   
    An excellent education for every student every day.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Vision:                                                                                                                    
     All students will succeed in  their education and work,                                                                    
     shape worthwhile  and satisfying lives  for themselves,                                                                    
     exemplify the best values of  society, and be effective                                                                    
     in  improving the  character and  quality of  the world                                                                    
     about them.                                                                                                                
     -Alaska Statute 14.03.015                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Purpose:                                                                                                                   
     DEED exists to provide information, resources, and                                                                         
     leadership to support an excellent education for every                                                                     
     student every day.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:34:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Acting  Commissioner   Teshner  moved  to  slide   3  titled                                                                    
"Strategic  Priorities: Alaska's  Education Challenge."  She                                                                    
detailed  that about  five  years  back, parents,  students,                                                                    
educators, policy makers, and  tribal leaders had all gotten                                                                    
together to answer  Alaska's call to create  a shared vision                                                                    
for  improving  the  state's public  education  system.  The                                                                    
outcome  had   been  Alaska's  Education   Challenge,  which                                                                    
included  five shared  priorities  [shown on  the slide]  to                                                                    
guide the  Department of  Education and  Early Development's                                                                    
(DEED)  work.  She  relayed  that  the  implementation  work                                                                    
continued.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Acting  Commissioner  Teshner   discussed  the  department's                                                                    
organizational chart  on slide 4. The  commissioner reported                                                                    
to the State  Board of Education and  Early Development. The                                                                    
state board was  appointed by the governor  and consisted of                                                                    
nine  members including  a military  advisor  and a  student                                                                    
advisor. The commissioner  provided leadership and direction                                                                    
for  the department.  There  were  five divisions  providing                                                                    
service to Pre-K through grade  12 including the Division of                                                                    
Innovation  and   Education  Excellence,  the   Division  of                                                                    
Finance    and   Support    Services,   the    Division   of                                                                    
Administrative Services, Mt. Edgecumbe  High School, and the                                                                    
Division  of Libraries,  Archives  and  Museums. There  were                                                                    
three boards, commissions, and  corporations that fell under                                                                    
DEED administratively including the  Alaska State Council on                                                                    
the  Arts, the  Professional Teaching  Practices Commission,                                                                    
and the  Alaska Commission  on Postsecondary  Education. She                                                                    
noted  that a  colleague would  provide more  detail on  the                                                                    
budgets of each of the divisions and components.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan  asked how long the  position had been                                                                    
vacant under the Division of Finance and Support Services.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Acting Commissioner  Teshner answered that the  position had                                                                    
been vacant  for a  little while,  but she  did not  have an                                                                    
exact  timeframe. She  reported there  was currently  active                                                                    
recruitment underway that would be  closing soon to hire for                                                                    
the position.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan asked  if the vacancy had  been a year                                                                    
or a couple  of months. She stated that much  of the current                                                                    
presentation  would  be  about financing  for  schools.  She                                                                    
remarked that having the position  empty drew her attention.                                                                    
She was looking to figure  out problem solving down the road                                                                    
and wondered how  long schools had not had  support from the                                                                    
specific  position.  Alternatively, she  considered  whether                                                                    
the  situation was  a normal  transition  where someone  had                                                                    
retired, and the department was in the recruitment phase.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Acting Commissioner  Teshner answered the position  had been                                                                    
vacant  not quite  a  year.  She had  been  promoted to  the                                                                    
deputy  commissioner  role  and had  previously  filled  the                                                                    
role. She was still supporting  the [Division of Finance and                                                                    
Support Services]  staff. There  had been someone  in acting                                                                    
status  in  the position  for  a  while. She  was  currently                                                                    
helping  to fulfill  multiple roles  within the  department.                                                                    
She stated there  had been no lack of  support for districts                                                                    
in that area [covered by the division].                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:37:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Acting    Commissioner    Teshner   addressed    a    budget                                                                    
organizational  chart on  slide 5.  The chart  reflected the                                                                    
same  organizational  structure   but  included  the  budget                                                                    
terminology.  She explained  that  the organizational  chart                                                                    
may  help legislators  to locate  where funding  was located                                                                    
within  the   department.  For  example,  The   Division  of                                                                    
Innovation  and Education  Excellence  included student  and                                                                    
school  achievement, teacher  certification, early  learning                                                                    
coordination,  and Pre-K  grants. She  moved to  a graphical                                                                    
representation  of  the  department's operating  budget  and                                                                    
position history from  FY 22 through FY  24 governor amended                                                                    
on slide  6. The bar  chart represented the  funding sources                                                                    
that made up the department's  overall budget. The dark blue                                                                    
reflected   undesignated   general    funds   (UGF),   green                                                                    
represented   federal   COVID-19  relief   funding,   orange                                                                    
reflected "other"  funds, light blue was  designated general                                                                    
funds (DGF),  and gray depicted  federal funding.  She noted                                                                    
that the  green portion  of the FY  24 governor  amended bar                                                                    
was  grayed out  because it  reflected an  estimate of  what                                                                    
DEED thought  would be carried  forward. She  explained that                                                                    
the  department's federal  programs  allowed  DEED to  carry                                                                    
over  money and  DEED did  not know  how much  federal COVID                                                                    
money would carry  over into FY 24. The  amount would depend                                                                    
on  when districts  and other  grantees requested  drawdowns                                                                    
and  submitted requests  for reimbursements.  She stated  it                                                                    
would  not likely  be $316  million,  but DEED  did not  yet                                                                    
know.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Acting Commissioner Teshner continued  to review slide 6. On                                                                    
average,  UGF   accounted  for  about  67   percent  of  the                                                                    
department's budget  from FY  22 through  FY 24.  The figure                                                                    
was  about  79 percent  when  excluding  COVID funding.  The                                                                    
department's  total operating  budget  for FY  24 was  $1.65                                                                    
billion.  She noted  the  figure did  not  include the  $316                                                                    
million in  COVID relief  funds (the  budget would  be about                                                                    
$1.9  billion with  COVID relief  funds). She  detailed that                                                                    
about 94  percent (~$1.213 billion) of  the department's UGF                                                                    
budget was  the foundation formula and  pupil transportation                                                                    
program.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:40:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Cronk asked  how much  money was  impact aid                                                                    
that came back to the state.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Acting Commissioner  Teshner answered  that on  average DEED                                                                    
took between $70 million and  $80 million into consideration                                                                    
in the foundation funding formula.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Ortiz  highlighted   that  the   foundation                                                                    
formula  was  also  known as  the  Base  Student  Allocation                                                                    
(BSA).                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Acting Commissioner Teshner agreed.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative Ortiz  asked why  the BSA had  decreased from                                                                    
FY 23 to FY 24.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Acting  Commissioner Teshner  clarified that  the foundation                                                                    
formula  and pupil  transportation did  not account  for the                                                                    
department's entire  UGF budget.  Those items  accounted for                                                                    
about $1.213 billion  and a small portion of  the UGF budget                                                                    
was  unrelated. The  FY  24 budget  was  built on  projected                                                                    
student  counts by  districts for  the  following year.  The                                                                    
number  was  trued  up annually  during  the  October  count                                                                    
period and  the department paid  based on the  actual number                                                                    
of  students served.  The number  used  to build  the FY  24                                                                    
budget would be  trued up after the count  period in October                                                                    
2023.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Ortiz looked  at the  $1.361 billion  in UGF                                                                    
spending in FY  23 compared to the $1.285 billion  in FY 24.                                                                    
He  asked if  the difference  in the  numbers resulted  from                                                                    
projected enrollment decline.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Acting Commissioner Teshner  stated it could be  part of the                                                                    
reason, but  she did not  have the  data on hand.  She noted                                                                    
that  the APS  [Alaska  Performance  Scholarship] had  moved                                                                    
from  UGF to  the Higher  Education Fund,  which would  have                                                                    
contributed  to a  lesser amount  in FY  24 UGF.  There were                                                                    
several  other contributing  factors.  She highlighted  that                                                                    
the DGF  line increased from $2.7  million [in FY 23]  up to                                                                    
$25.9 million  [in FY 24].  Part of  the issue was  a switch                                                                    
between UGF and DGF.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:43:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Ortiz recalled  that  the FY  23 budget  had                                                                    
included a one-time  increment. He asked if  it was included                                                                    
in the number and helped explain the difference.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Acting Commissioner  Teshner confirmed there had  been a $57                                                                    
million UGF one-time increment  outside the funding formula,                                                                    
which was reflected in the FY 23 column and not FY 24.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative Stapp acknowledged visitors in the audience.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Acting  Commissioner  Teshner moved  to  two  pie charts  on                                                                    
slide 7 and  discussed the FY 24  governor's amended budget.                                                                    
She noted  the slide  included the  $316 million  in federal                                                                    
COVID relief funding  for a total of $1.97  billion. The pie                                                                    
chart on  the left  broke out the  information by  line. She                                                                    
detailed  that  94 percent  of  the  budget was  passthrough                                                                    
grants  to  school  districts and  other  entities  for  the                                                                    
foundation  formula,   pupil  transportation,   state  grant                                                                    
programs,  and federal  grant programs  (e.g.,  Title 1  and                                                                    
special education).  The pie chart  on the right  provided a                                                                    
breakdown of the divisions and amount associated with each.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:45:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Galvin  looked   at  slide  7,  specifically                                                                    
related to  Innovation and  Education Excellence.  She asked                                                                    
if anything related  to early education for kids  up to five                                                                    
years of age was included in that segment of the budget.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Acting Commissioner Teshner answered  that children from age                                                                    
zero to three  were served by the Department  of Health. The                                                                    
Department of  Education and Early Development  served young                                                                    
children  from three  to five  years of  age. She  explained                                                                    
that any Pre-K  grant funding that went  to school districts                                                                    
and ~$6.8 million  for Head Start was included  in the early                                                                    
learning and  Pre-K grant components  under the  Division of                                                                    
Innovation and Education Excellence.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Galvin  asked  for the  number  of  students                                                                    
currently served  by early education  programs in  the three                                                                    
to five-year old population.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Acting  Commissioner  Teshner  would   follow  up  with  the                                                                    
information.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Galvin asked for the dollar figure.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Acting Commissioner  Teshner answered  there was  about $6.8                                                                    
million  in  grants allocated  to  Head  Start entities  for                                                                    
their match requirement.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative Galvin asked for the federal match figure.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Acting  Commissioner  Teshner  replied that  the  department                                                                    
would follow up with the information.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative Galvin requested data  on the number of early                                                                    
learning  students  presently  served   and  the  amount  of                                                                    
associated funding.  She was particularly interested  in the                                                                    
department's  mission of  ensuring  children  were ready  to                                                                    
read.  She wanted  to make  certain  children were  arriving                                                                    
ready at the age of five.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:49:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Acting  Commissioner  Teshner  referred   to  a  DEED  early                                                                    
learning report she  had just been handed  and would provide                                                                    
to  the  committee. She  detailed  there  were 674  children                                                                    
served by  Pre-K grants of  about $5.7 million in  2023. The                                                                    
Parents as  Teachers program  currently served  123 students                                                                    
with $474,000.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SABRINA    JAVIER,    ADMINISTRATIVE   SERVICES    DIRECTOR,                                                                    
DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION AND  EARLY DEVELOPMENT, relayed that                                                                    
the  department's  total  FY 24  budget  (excluding  federal                                                                    
COVID-19  relief funding)  was approximately  $1.65 billion.                                                                    
She would  break down  the budget to  the division  level on                                                                    
the  coming   slides.  She  reviewed  the   budget  for  the                                                                    
Executive Administration  Division on slide 8.  The division                                                                    
included the  commissioner's office  and the State  Board of                                                                    
Education.  The division  provided policy  direction to  the                                                                    
other   DEED  divisions   and   provided   support  to   the                                                                    
department's  stakeholders.   The  FY  24  budget   for  the                                                                    
division totaled  just under $1.5  million comprised  of ~$1                                                                    
million  UGF and  $500,000  in  interagency receipts.  There                                                                    
were  seven   full-time  positions  and   one  non-permanent                                                                    
position within the division.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:51:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Javier turned to the  budget for the Division of Finance                                                                    
and  Support  Services on  slide  9.  The division  included                                                                    
School  Finance,  School  Facilities,  and  Child  Nutrition                                                                    
programs.  The  largest  portion  of  DEED  funding  resided                                                                    
within the division  at a total of just  under $1.4 billion.                                                                    
There were  22 full-time positions within  the division. The                                                                    
School Finance  Section administered the  foundation formula                                                                    
and  pupil  transportation  funding and  provided  financial                                                                    
support  to school  district  business  offices. The  School                                                                    
Facilities  Section  oversaw  school  capital  projects  and                                                                    
administered the  Major Maintenance and  School Construction                                                                    
grant  programs. The  Child  Nutrition Section  administered                                                                    
child   nutrition  programs   that  most   school  districts                                                                    
participate in including the  national school lunch program,                                                                    
the school  breakfast program, and the  summer foods service                                                                    
program. She  reviewed a  bar chart on  slide 9  showing the                                                                    
division's budget.  The majority  of the  UGF shown  in blue                                                                    
was  allocated to  the foundation  and pupil  transportation                                                                    
programs for school districts. The  gray section of the bars                                                                    
represented federal  receipts, which were  primarily awarded                                                                    
by the  U.S. Department of Agriculture  as passthrough funds                                                                    
for child  nutrition programs. The  small orange  portion of                                                                    
the bar reflected "other" funds  of about $32.7 million from                                                                    
federal  impact  aid revenue.  She  clarified  that the  $32                                                                    
million was the Public School Trust Fund.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan asked what impact aid entailed.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Acting  Commissioner Teshner  replied that  the $20  million                                                                    
shown on  the slide represented what  the department applied                                                                    
for  on behalf  of three  military bases  and Mt.  Edgecumbe                                                                    
High School. The  $70 million to $80 million  figure she had                                                                    
provided   to   Representative    Cronk   earlier   in   the                                                                    
presentation  was what  the department  applied towards  the                                                                    
foundation  formula to  determine  how much  state aid  DEED                                                                    
paid to  school districts. Most districts  applied directly,                                                                    
but DEED  had an agreement to  apply on behalf of  the three                                                                    
military  bases (in  Kodiak, Fairbanks,  and Anchorage)  and                                                                    
Mt. Edgecumbe High School.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan asked if  impact aid was about federal                                                                    
nontaxable lands within a district's boundaries.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Acting Commissioner Teshner agreed.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:54:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Ortiz  looked   at   the   UGF  figure   of                                                                    
$1,285,331,800 for  the BSA on  slide 6 compared to  slide 9                                                                    
showing    funding   for    the   foundation    formula   at                                                                    
$1,140,791,600.  He  asked for  the  difference  in the  two                                                                    
figures.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Acting  Commissioner  Teshner  answered the  UGF  column  on                                                                    
slide 9 was included in the  $1.28 billion shown on slide 6.                                                                    
Slide  9 broke  the  figure down  to  show which  components                                                                    
contributed to the UGF total.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative Ortiz stated  the BSA was a  big topic during                                                                    
the current session. He remarked  that the two [UGF] numbers                                                                    
[shown on slides  6 and 9] were different. He  stated it did                                                                    
not all match up.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Acting Commissioner  Teshner replied  that the  answer would                                                                    
become  clearer  as  they  moved  through  the  slides.  She                                                                    
explained that  all of the  UGF components should add  up to                                                                    
the total on slide 6.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative Tomaszewski  used slide  6 as an  example and                                                                    
requested totals at  the bottom of the FY 22  actuals, FY 23                                                                    
management plan, and FY 24 governor amended budget columns.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Acting  Commissioner Teshner  agreed to  make the  change to                                                                    
the slides.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms.   Javier  discussed   the  Division   of  Administrative                                                                    
Services budget on slide 10.  The division provided internal                                                                    
department   services   including  accounting,   information                                                                    
technology,   human  resources,   procurement,  and   grants                                                                    
administration.     The    budget     components    included                                                                    
administrative  services,  information services,  facilities                                                                    
rent.  The total  FY 24  budget  for the  division was  $6.5                                                                    
million  and  included  17   full-time  positions.  The  one                                                                    
significant budget  change within the division's  budget was                                                                    
a $2  million request  for interagency receipt  authority to                                                                    
allow  the division  to have  a more  consistent method  for                                                                    
allocating the  chargebacks it received from  the Department                                                                    
of Administration  Office of Information  Technology, Shared                                                                    
Services  of  Alaska,  personnel and  labor  relations,  and                                                                    
services provided  by the Division of  Finance. The services                                                                    
did not  all use  the same  rate methodology;  therefore, it                                                                    
was DEED's  intention to streamline the  methodology for all                                                                    
of  the expenditures,  collect the  funds from  each of  the                                                                    
divisions,  and pay  them from  the appropriation  under the                                                                    
Division of Administrative Services.  There was no budgetary                                                                    
impact  to the  department and  the change  would help  DEED                                                                    
manage and track its chargeback costs more efficiently.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:59:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Javier  discussed  the  budget   for  the  Division  of                                                                    
Innovation  and  Education  Excellence   on  slide  11.  The                                                                    
division was  comprised of the early  learning coordination,                                                                    
Pre-K grants,  student and  school achievement,  and teacher                                                                    
certification components. The division's  total FY 24 budget                                                                    
(excluding estimated federal  COVID-19 carryforward funding)                                                                    
was   approximately  $201.4   million   with  68   full-time                                                                    
positions  and five  non-permanent  positions. The  division                                                                    
had  received  a  considerable amount  of  federal  COVID-19                                                                    
funds from the  U.S. Department of Education  from all three                                                                    
[relief  funding] acts.  The funds  were  housed within  the                                                                    
division. The green  section of the bar  chart reflected the                                                                    
spend  in  FY  22,  the  FY  23  management  plan,  and  the                                                                    
estimated  carryforward amount.  She  encouraged members  to                                                                    
visit  the department's  COVID-19 funding  dashboard on  the                                                                    
DEED  website,  which enabled  the  user  to drill  down  to                                                                    
awarded  and expended  funding at  the  school district  and                                                                    
grantee levels.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:00:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Galvin  asked   for  verification  that  Ms.                                                                    
Javier had stated there were 68 positions for the division.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Javier agreed.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Galvin   asked  for  the  number   of  early                                                                    
learning  coordination  and  Pre-K  positions.  She  assumed                                                                    
there  were  no  other  positions  in  other  areas  of  the                                                                    
department for the two specific components.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Acting Commissioner  Teshner responded there  were currently                                                                    
no  positions  in  the Pre-K  grants  component.  The  staff                                                                    
supporting  the  Pre-K grants  were  in  the early  learning                                                                    
coordination component.  She believed there were  a total of                                                                    
five  positions  including  three positions  recently  added                                                                    
through the Alaska  Reads Act. She would follow  up with the                                                                    
precise information.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Galvin  asked  for verification  that  there                                                                    
were  around five  early learning  positions  (for three  to                                                                    
five year olds) out of 68.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Acting Commissioner Teshner agreed.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Josephson asked  about the  $312 million  in                                                                    
COVID-19 funds.  He asked  why the  funding kept  coming and                                                                    
what it was for.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Acting  Commissioner  Teshner  responded  that  the  federal                                                                    
COVID   relief  funding   was  appropriated   by  the   U.S.                                                                    
Department  of  Education  and encompassed  the  Coronavirus                                                                    
Aid, Relief, and Economic  Security (CARES) Act, Coronavirus                                                                    
Response   and   Relief  Supplemental   Appropriations   Act                                                                    
(CRRSAA), and  American Rescue Plan Act  (ARPA). The funding                                                                    
was provided to states in  response to the COVID-19 pandemic                                                                    
to help  with learning loss, personal  protective equipment,                                                                    
and other items. She elaborated  there was a wide variety of                                                                    
allowable expenditures.  Under ARPA,  there was  a [federal]                                                                    
requirement that  districts had to  spend 20 percent  of the                                                                    
funding on learning loss.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:03:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Josephson  asked if  districts could  use the                                                                    
federal COVID-19 funding like they used BSA dollars.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Acting Commissioner  Teshner agreed.  She relayed  there had                                                                    
been  significant  flexibility  [in   the  way  the  federal                                                                    
funding could  be used]. She  noted that DEED had  to review                                                                    
and approve how the funds were spent.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Josephson asked  if  the funding  was FY  24                                                                    
dollars.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Acting Commissioner  Teshner replied  it was the  amount the                                                                    
department  anticipated could  be carried  over into  FY 24.                                                                    
She did not believe the  amount would be quite $312 million.                                                                    
She explained that districts  already knew their allocations                                                                    
under each of the three  federal acts. She detailed that the                                                                    
CARES Act  had closed in  September 2022, funds  from CRRSAA                                                                    
could be  spent until  September 2023,  and funds  from ARPA                                                                    
could  be   used  until  September  2024.   She  noted  that                                                                    
districts had  not all  allocated how  they would  spend the                                                                    
money. She  noted that the department's  COVID dashboard [on                                                                    
the  DEED   website]  included  detailed   information.  She                                                                    
explained that the budget indicated  a long-term range where                                                                    
districts were planning how they would spend the money.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Coulombe asked  if  the  $312 million  would                                                                    
expire in September 2023 or 2024.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Acting Commissioner  Teshner answered that a  portion of the                                                                    
funding  would  expire in  2023  and  another portion  would                                                                    
expire in 2024. She did not  have the breakdown on hand. She                                                                    
clarified that  school districts  did not receive  the money                                                                    
up  front;  the department  only  paid  them for  what  they                                                                    
expended.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative Ortiz saw  that a large portion  of the COVID                                                                    
relief funding  went to support  the Division  of Innovation                                                                    
and  Education  Excellence.  He remarked  that  the  funding                                                                    
would  go away  at  some  point. He  wondered  what kind  of                                                                    
problems the situation would bring the division.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Acting Commissioner  Teshner answered  that the  funding was                                                                    
primarily for pass through grants  and DEED kept very little                                                                    
internally for  daily operations.  The department  had hired                                                                    
three nonpermanent positions to  help support the additional                                                                    
work  that came  with  the COVID  funding including  federal                                                                    
reporting  and the  review of  additional applications  from                                                                    
school  districts.  The  positions  would  expire  when  the                                                                    
funding  expired. The  department  had not  added  a lot  of                                                                    
long-term  range  expenditures  that would  require  ongoing                                                                    
support from  the state. The  department tried to  ensure it                                                                    
was  spending  the money  on  one-time  expenditures at  the                                                                    
state level in order to sustain its work for the long term.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Ortiz  asked  for  verification  that  Pre-K                                                                    
grants  and  student and  school  achievement  would not  be                                                                    
impacted even though  it appeared the COVID  funding made up                                                                    
a  large   portion  of  the  [Division   of  Innovation  and                                                                    
Education Excellence] budget.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:07:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Acting  Commissioner   Teshner  replied  that   the  funding                                                                    
included  in the  first four  columns [in  the table  on the                                                                    
lower  half of  slide  11] included  the division's  ongoing                                                                    
work.  The COVID  money was  additional work  added on.  She                                                                    
stated that  everything else would  continue when  the COVID                                                                    
money expired.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative Galvin  asked for verification that  the $312                                                                    
million  was  passthrough  funding for  districts  to  cover                                                                    
anything  related to  catching  students up.  She had  heard                                                                    
from  some districts  that were  using the  funds to  do the                                                                    
work at hand.  She asked if it was  something the department                                                                    
had heard as well.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Acting  Commissioner  Teshner responded  affirmatively.  She                                                                    
relayed   that  when   the  department   had  reviewed   the                                                                    
districts' budgets,  it had cautioned  districts if  an item                                                                    
was an  ongoing expenditure.  The department had  provided a                                                                    
memorandum to  districts cautioning  them against  using the                                                                    
one-time  funding for  ongoing expenditures.  The department                                                                    
could  not  deny  districts'  from  using  the  funding  [on                                                                    
ongoing expenditures]  because it had been  an allowable use                                                                    
from the federal government.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hannan  asked  for  a  description  of  work                                                                    
provided   under   student   and  school   achievement   for                                                                    
standards,  assessment,  and  accountability  on  a  regular                                                                    
basis.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Acting Commissioner Teshner deferred to a colleague.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
DEB  RIDDLE, OPERATIONS  MANAGER,  INNOVATION AND  EDUCATION                                                                    
EXCELLENCE, DEPARTMENT  OF EDUCATION AND  EARLY DEVELOPMENT,                                                                    
replied  that  the  Division  of  Innovation  and  Education                                                                    
Excellence had nine teams,  which covered assessments, data,                                                                    
and  reporting, early  learning,  federal programs,  special                                                                    
education, school improvement, and  the Alaska Reads Act. On                                                                    
a day to day basis  the department collaborated and provided                                                                    
support.  The majority  of  the federal  money  went out  to                                                                    
districts as  grants. The department managed  the grants and                                                                    
provided  support.  She  detailed  that  programs  like  the                                                                    
academic support  team and school improvement  team provided                                                                    
support to help struggling  districts. The special education                                                                    
team   managed  special   education  programs   and  ensured                                                                    
students were  served the  way they  were needed.  The early                                                                    
education program had one staff  who worked with Head Start.                                                                    
There was  also a  staff who  worked with  special education                                                                    
and Pre-K  grants. The department  had found out  earlier in                                                                    
the  day  that   it  had  an  administrator   for  the  team                                                                    
associated  with  the  Reads Act.  Primarily,  the  division                                                                    
supported  districts in  moving their  programs forward  and                                                                    
providing resources as needed.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:12:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Javier  finished  with  slide   11  pertaining  to  the                                                                    
Division  of   Innovation  and  Education   Excellence.  The                                                                    
majority of  the division's budget was  federal receipts and                                                                    
primarily included pass through  title funding from the U.S.                                                                    
Department of Education. The federal  increase from FY 23 to                                                                    
FY 24  was the governor's  amended request of  $22.3 million                                                                    
of  federal  receipt  authority  in  order  to  address  the                                                                    
increase  title   rewards  from   the  U.S.   Department  of                                                                    
Education.  The proposed  FY  24 UGF  for  the division  was                                                                    
approximately $30  million. The significant change  in FY 24                                                                    
UGF  was   primarily  $6.3  million  for   the  second  year                                                                    
implementation  of  the Alaska  Reads  Act  passed in  2022.                                                                    
Additionally,  there  was  a temporary  increase  for  Pre-K                                                                    
grants  of $2.5  million. The  department was  requesting to                                                                    
consolidate  the  system  of   support  component  into  the                                                                    
student and school achievement  component; therefore, it was                                                                    
not  included on  the slide.  The  two components  performed                                                                    
overlapping work and  the department decided it  was wise to                                                                    
consolidate them for efficiency.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Javier  addressed  the  budget   for  the  Division  of                                                                    
Libraries, Archives,  and Museums on slide  12. The division                                                                    
included  components for  Andrew  P. Kashevaroff  Facilities                                                                    
Maintenance,    Broadband    Assistance   Grants,    Library                                                                    
Operations,  Live  Homework  Help,  Museum  Operations,  and                                                                    
Online  with  Libraries  (OWL). The  Andrew  P.  Kashevaroff                                                                    
building  in Juneau  housed the  Alaska state  archives, the                                                                    
state  library, and  state museum.  The state  also had  the                                                                    
Sheldon Jackson Museum in Sitka.  The total operating budget                                                                    
for FY  24 was  approximately $18.26  million with  49 full-                                                                    
time   positions  and   one   non-permanent  position.   The                                                                    
division's budget remained flat,  and the department did not                                                                    
have a proposed request for FY 24.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative Josephson referenced  Ms. Javier's mention of                                                                    
OWL  funding in  the  division's budget.  He  referred to  a                                                                    
similar  program called  SLED [Statewide  Library Electronic                                                                    
Doorway]. He  detailed that  the legislature  had repeatedly                                                                    
appropriated  money, particularly  at the  request of  state                                                                    
libraries,  and  the  governor  had  repeatedly  vetoed  the                                                                    
funds. He asked for the status on SLED funding.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Javier deferred to a colleague.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:15:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR.  AMY  PHILIPS-CHAN,  DIRECTOR,  DIVISION  OF  LIBRARIES,                                                                    
ARCHIVES AND  MUSEUMS, answered that  the SLED  database was                                                                    
part  of the  department's  IMLS [Institute  of Museums  and                                                                    
Library Services]  funding received  annually as part  of an                                                                    
interlibrary   cooperation   grant.    She   explained   the                                                                    
competitive grant  program had  been around since  the 1980s                                                                    
and  the  SLED  database  was  run  by  the  Alaska  Library                                                                    
Network, which applied for the grant annually.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative Josephson  stated that the librarians  he met                                                                    
with annually told him the money  had been vetoed or had not                                                                    
been  supplemented in  years. He  was  taking his  "marching                                                                    
orders"  from  Steve  Rollins, the  head  librarian  at  the                                                                    
University  of  Alaska Anchorage.  He  did  not believe  Mr.                                                                    
Rollins was  wrong about that.  He thought  Dr. Philips-Chan                                                                    
was suggesting the funding was there.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Philips-Chan  replied that in  FY 23 the  SLED databases                                                                    
received  $500,351   in  grant   monies  through   the  IMLS                                                                    
interlibrary cooperation grant program.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hannan  asked   about  broadband  assistance                                                                    
grants component  on slide  12. She  presumed the  funds had                                                                    
been  used   to  support   school  districts   with  limited                                                                    
broadband. She asked if the  specific grant funding would be                                                                    
eliminated in  five years once  Alaska implemented  state of                                                                    
the  art   broadband  throughout   the  entire   state.  She                                                                    
referenced the new Broadband Office and associated funding.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Acting  Commissioner Teshner  replied  it  was a  standalone                                                                    
grant  separate from  the Broadband  Office. The  department                                                                    
had not  yet had conversations  with the office; DEED  had a                                                                    
department  representative as  part of  the specific  group.                                                                    
The department  was assuming the  program would  continue as                                                                    
long as the statute remained in place.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hannan encouraged  the  department to  speak                                                                    
directly with  the Broadband Office.  She detailed  that the                                                                    
office  was floating  maps of  underserved communities.  She                                                                    
stated that  the future distribution of  the federal funding                                                                    
depended  on verifying  that  the service  in  a variety  of                                                                    
locations was  not adequate. She highlighted  the importance                                                                    
of  ensuring  the  grantees [currently  receiving  broadband                                                                    
assistance funding] were represented  as the maps were being                                                                    
developed. She explained  it was important for  the state to                                                                    
communicate  where it  had been  giving  grants because  the                                                                    
state knew the locations did not have service.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:19:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Javier  discussed  the   budget  for  the  Professional                                                                    
Teaching  Practices Commission  on slide  13. She  explained                                                                    
that  the commission  had the  responsibility  and power  to                                                                    
discipline members of the teaching  profession and may issue                                                                    
reprimands,  suspensions,  and   revocations  of  educators'                                                                    
certificates.  The commission's  executive director  was its                                                                    
one full-time  employee and the commission  was comprised of                                                                    
five  teachers,  one   superintendent,  one  principal,  one                                                                    
university     representative,     and    one     department                                                                    
representative.  The  commission's   total  proposed  FY  24                                                                    
budget  was $268,000  with a  request for  a fund  change of                                                                    
$100,000  from general  fund program  receipts  to UGF.  The                                                                    
commission  was funded  through  teacher certification  fees                                                                    
under  the  teacher  certification component;  however,  the                                                                    
department  was  anticipating  the   revenue  would  not  be                                                                    
sufficient to cover the  teacher certification component and                                                                    
the  Professional Teaching  Practices Commission  component.                                                                    
She explained  the shortfall was primarily  because the cost                                                                    
of teacher  certification fees had not  been increased since                                                                    
FY  16 to  meet  the increasing  operational  costs in  both                                                                    
components.   She  detailed   that  taking   regular  salary                                                                    
increases, increased  chargeback costs, and  other increases                                                                    
into  account  left a  shortfall  in  the budget.  The  fund                                                                    
change would allow teacher  certification and the commission                                                                    
to   continue  operations   without   increasing  fees   for                                                                    
teachers.  The commission  also  had a  $105,000 request  to                                                                    
address increased administrative  hearing and legal services                                                                    
costs  for FY  23.  The commission  had  been assigned  four                                                                    
administrative    law   judges    in   response    to   four                                                                    
administrative  hearing requests.  She  explained  it was  a                                                                    
unique  situation  that did  not  occur  annually; the  last                                                                    
hearing was  in 2018. She  noted it was difficult  to budget                                                                    
for the requests.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Javier reviewed the budget  for the Alaska State Council                                                                    
on the Arts  on slide 14. The mission of  the council was to                                                                    
represent, support,  and advance  the creative  endeavors of                                                                    
individuals, organizations, and  agencies throughout Alaska.                                                                    
The council  was a public  corporation that provided  a wide                                                                    
range of  services and programs  to Alaskans.  The council's                                                                    
FY  24  budget totaled  ~$4.4  million  with five  full-time                                                                    
positions  and one  nonpermanent position.  The council  was                                                                    
primarily  funded  by   other  funds  (statutory  designated                                                                    
program  receipts) reflected  by the  orange portion  of the                                                                    
bars in a  graph on slide 14. She detailed  that the council                                                                    
received  program receipt  funding  the Rasmuson  Foundation                                                                    
and  the  Margaret  A.   Cargill  philanthropies.  The  next                                                                    
largest  funding  source  was   federal  receipts  from  the                                                                    
National Endowment  for the Arts  [shown in  gray], followed                                                                    
the UGF  shown in  blue, reflecting  the general  fund match                                                                    
requirement for the federal funds.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Javier  continued to  review the  budget for  the Alaska                                                                    
State  Council on  the Arts  on  slide 14.  The council  had                                                                    
received federal  COVID-19 funding that would  expire at the                                                                    
end  of  the  current  fiscal  year.  The  council  had  two                                                                    
requests  in the  FY 24  budget. The  first request  was for                                                                    
$20,000 in arts in public  places funding. She explained the                                                                    
arts  in public  places  were receipts  collected under  the                                                                    
authority of  AS 44.27.060,  which placed  1 percent  of the                                                                    
construction  costs of  the building  or  facility into  the                                                                    
fund. Currently,  the council had  authority to spend  up to                                                                    
$30,000 of the fund. The  one-time increase of $20,000 would                                                                    
bring the  total up to $50,000  in order for the  council to                                                                    
digitize  inventory and  track its  art bank  collection and                                                                    
allow borrowers to review and  request the available artwork                                                                    
online. The  second request was  for $5,000 UGF  in response                                                                    
to the  passage of Senate Bill  71 in 2022, which  created a                                                                    
special  vehicle registration  plate  celebrating the  arts.                                                                    
The council would  use the receipts from  the license plates                                                                    
to sustain the  program and cover the cost  for the artists'                                                                    
design  fee,  preparation  for production,  and  educational                                                                    
materials about the program.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:24:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Javier reviewed the budget  for the Alaska Commission on                                                                    
Postsecondary   Education   (ACPE)    on   slide   15.   The                                                                    
commission's mission  was to promote  access to  and success                                                                    
in  education and  career training  beyond high  school. The                                                                    
commission's budget was comprised  of the Alaska Performance                                                                    
Scholarship  (APS)  award,  Alaska  education  grants,  loan                                                                    
servicing,  program administration  and operations,  and the                                                                    
Washington,  Wyoming,  Alaska,  Montana, and  Idaho  (WWAMI)                                                                    
medical education  program. The commission had  53 full-time                                                                    
positions and  one nonpermanent position budgeted  for FY 24                                                                    
with  a   total  budget  of  ~$43.3   million.  The  largest                                                                    
budgetary change  from FY 23 to  FY 24 was a  fund change of                                                                    
approximately $21.4 million from UGF  to DGF from the Alaska                                                                    
Higher  Education Investment  Fund.  In  the current  fiscal                                                                    
year, the APS,  Alaska education grants, WWAMI,  and some of                                                                    
the  program administration  and  operations  for ACPE  were                                                                    
funded with UGF.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Javier  continued  with  slide   15  and  addressed  an                                                                    
increase of  $1,647,500 in  the Higher  Education Investment                                                                    
Fund to continue the expansion of  WWAMI from 20 to 30 seats                                                                    
for  Alaskan  students.  The increment  had  initially  been                                                                    
added to  the budget in  2022 as a  multiyear appropriation,                                                                    
but after further discussions with  the University of Alaska                                                                    
Anchorage (UAA)  and the University of  Washington School of                                                                    
Medicine it  had been determined  that UAA needed  to expand                                                                    
its facilities  to meet  the need.  The request  would cover                                                                    
the  additional  costs  associated with  the  University  of                                                                    
Washington School of Medicine contract.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Javier noted high level budget changes on slide 16.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Acting Commissioner  Teshner looked  at a chart  showing the                                                                    
BSA Funding  history from FY 99  through FY 24 on  slide 18.                                                                    
The  chart also  included an  inflation chart  and instances                                                                    
where appropriations had been made  that fell outside of the                                                                    
funding formula.  She detailed  that in  FY 23,  $57 million                                                                    
had been funded outside of  the formula that was distributed                                                                    
through grants based on average daily membership.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Stapp  asked how much progress  had been made                                                                    
on  the state  tribal  compacting  initiatives discussed  in                                                                    
recent years.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Acting Commissioner Teshner replied  that the State Board of                                                                    
Education would  select up to  five tribes from  Senate Bill                                                                    
34 at its  March 17th meeting. She explained  that the state                                                                    
board could  work with up to  five tribes to go  through the                                                                    
negotiation process.  On March 16  the board would  make its                                                                    
final decision  on the  tribes it  would select.  She shared                                                                    
that the board  had issued a request  for applications (RFA)                                                                    
and  five tribes  had submitted  applications. In  April the                                                                    
department would have  a kickoff meeting with  the tribes to                                                                    
start off  the process to hit  the ground running in  May to                                                                    
begin  negotiating  on  who  would  do  what.  There  was  a                                                                    
timeline  over the  next 10  months  and a  report would  be                                                                    
provided  to  the legislature  in  January  2024 that  would                                                                    
summarize   the    negotiation   process    with   potential                                                                    
legislation of  what tribal education compacting  would look                                                                    
like.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative Stapp asked which five tribes had applied.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:29:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Acting Commissioner  Teshner answered the department  had to                                                                    
wait a couple of weeks before making the names public.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Galvin  looked  at  the  chart  showing  the                                                                    
historical  BSA  amounts  on  slide 18.  She  asked  if  the                                                                    
department had  a visual  representation showing  the change                                                                    
in cost  of educating  students with regard  to inflationary                                                                    
costs.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Acting Commissioner Teshner answered  that slide 19 included                                                                    
a historical graph  showing what had been paid  out as state                                                                    
aid.  The department's  website included  budget and  actual                                                                    
reporting showing  how districts  had spent  their operating                                                                    
and  special  revenue  funding.   The  information  was  not                                                                    
included in the current presentation.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative Galvin  wondered if  it would be  helpful for                                                                    
the committee  to understand the  various cost  changes. For                                                                    
example,  the  committee  knew districts  were  changing  up                                                                    
their programs  and reducing the  number of people.  She was                                                                    
interested  in a  measurement of  inflation compared  to the                                                                    
dollars spent on education.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Acting  Commissioner  Teshner  would   follow  up  with  the                                                                    
information.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Ortiz looked at  high-level budget changes on                                                                    
slide 16  specifically related to  a $6.3  million increment                                                                    
for second year  implementation of the Alaska  Reads Act. He                                                                    
had  been hearing  a lot  of concern  from around  the state                                                                    
that  the program  was significantly  underfunded. He  asked                                                                    
for comment.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Acting  Commissioner Teshner  answered  that  the Reads  Act                                                                    
called for best practice and  districts should be doing that                                                                    
already. The department recognized that  it would be a large                                                                    
amount of work in the  beginning for districts with a number                                                                    
of students  who were not proficient  in reading (especially                                                                    
with  individual  reading  plans and  extra  support  needed                                                                    
based  on  the Reads  Act).  She  noted  the small  $30  BSA                                                                    
increase to  help support the  implementation of the  act at                                                                    
the district level.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:33:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Josephson  thought  that  if  he  asked  the                                                                    
Legislative Finance  Division (LFD) to inflation  adjust the                                                                    
FY 17 numbers,  LFD would say the budget was  short by about                                                                    
$260 million. He asked if there  had ever been a funding gap                                                                    
of that size historically.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Acting Commissioner Teshner answered not to her knowledge.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Josephson  asked  if  the  state  should  be                                                                    
concerned about  litigation related  to the state's  duty to                                                                    
fully fund public schools.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Acting  Commissioner Teshner  answered  that the  department                                                                    
recognized BSA  funding had not  kept up with  inflation and                                                                    
it needed  to be addressed.  She stated that whether  or not                                                                    
the state  was adequately funding  its schools was  a policy                                                                    
call  that needed  to be  determined based  on data  and the                                                                    
students served.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Johnson stated  it was  up to  the legislature  as                                                                    
policy makers to grapple with.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:35:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Josephson  had asked  his staff to  follow up                                                                    
the  University's  top  librarian  at the  UAA  campus.  The                                                                    
individual reported  that SLED did  not have funding  and it                                                                    
had been vetoed by the governor.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Johnson thanked  the presenters.  She noted  there                                                                    
was another presentation.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:36:14 PM                                                                                                                    
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2:41:23 PM                                                                                                                    
RECONVENED                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATION:  HISTORY  OF   THE  BASE  STUDENT  ALLOCATION                                                                  
FORMULA: LEGISLATIVE FINANCE DIVISION                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:41:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ALEXEI  PAINTER,  DIRECTOR,  LEGISLATIVE  FINANCE  DIVISION,                                                                    
provided  a  PowerPoint  presentation titled  "K-12  Funding                                                                    
History: House  Finance Committee," dated February  28, 2023                                                                    
(copy  on  file). His  overview  would  address funding  for                                                                    
school  districts  including  direct and  indirect  sources,                                                                    
funding  comparison to  other  states,  the state's  formula                                                                    
funding history, and funding levers  for the legislature. He                                                                    
began with  a pie chart on  slide 3 reflecting FY  23 school                                                                    
district budgeted revenues by  payor (from the Department of                                                                    
Education  and  Early  Development).  He  detailed  that  63                                                                    
percent of the revenue came  from the state, 25 percent came                                                                    
from  local governments,  11 percent  came from  the federal                                                                    
government (including  E-rate funding), and about  1 percent                                                                    
in other  funding from tuition  and investment  returns. The                                                                    
vast majority of the funding  was from the state, with local                                                                    
governments making up the second largest contribution.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  turned to slide  4 and addressed FY  23 sources                                                                    
of funding for school  districts. The largest funding source                                                                    
was  the foundation  program at  about  $1.2 billion,  which                                                                    
represented just  over half of  the funding  [to districts].                                                                    
Local  funding  accounted  for 23  percent  of  the  funding                                                                    
including  indirect funding  the state  paid towards  school                                                                    
districts.  There were  numerous  funding  sources going  to                                                                    
districts  including the  direct  foundation program,  pupil                                                                    
transportation, additional  foundation funding paid  out for                                                                    
FY 23, deductible  federal impact aid that  went against the                                                                    
foundation  formula, local  contributions, federal  funding,                                                                    
Teachers'   Retirement   System   (TRS)  and   some   Public                                                                    
Employees' Retirement  System (PERS)  payments on  behalf of                                                                    
school  districts  (the  funding  did not  show  up  in  the                                                                    
classroom,  but  the state  paid  the  amount on  behalf  of                                                                    
school districts directly to  the retirement system), school                                                                    
debt reimbursement (the  state reimbursed municipalities for                                                                    
their share  of debt  service on  school projects;  the cost                                                                    
was not shown in district  revenue because the money went to                                                                    
local  governments,   but  it   was  part  of   the  state's                                                                    
contribution  to  education  funding)  Regional  Educational                                                                    
Attendance  Area   (REAA)  funding  went  to   rural  school                                                                    
construction and  major maintenance  (also funding  that did                                                                    
not  show up  in the  classroom, but  reflected funding  the                                                                    
state paid for local projects).                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:45:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Coulombe asked where  the Public School Trust                                                                    
Fund funding was included in the pie chart [on slide 4].                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter  answered it  was  included  in the  foundation                                                                    
program.  He elaborated  that currently  all  of the  Public                                                                    
School Trust Funds were used as  one of the state sources of                                                                    
money for the foundation program.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Coulombe  thought it  sounded like  the trust                                                                    
fund had  numerous limitations on  the amount that  could be                                                                    
withdrawn. She asked for the current balance of the fund.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter  answered that  the  balance  was in  the  $600                                                                    
million to $700 million range at present.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative Ortiz asked if it  was optional for the state                                                                    
to fund school bond debt reimbursement.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter  answered  that  while  the  state  had  agreed                                                                    
through  statute to  take on  the  debt, it  was subject  to                                                                    
appropriation by the legislature annually.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative Ortiz  asked if the legislature  had ever not                                                                    
funded  school   debt  reimbursement  under   the  statutory                                                                    
guidelines.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter  responded  affirmatively. He  elaborated  that                                                                    
school debt  reimbursement had not  been fully funded  in FY                                                                    
17,  FY 20,  FY 21,  and initially  in FY  22. He  noted the                                                                    
state had repaid the past  unfunded amounts from those years                                                                    
in  the FY  22 supplemental  budget. There  were some  other                                                                    
periods in  the 1990s where the  funds had not been  paid in                                                                    
full.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Ortiz   asked  for  verification   that  the                                                                    
administration had the power to veto the funds.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter agreed.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:48:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Stapp  asked if  there  was  any issue  with                                                                    
paying existing  bond debt while maintaining  the moratorium                                                                    
on new [school construction costs].                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter answered  the moratorium  (on new  debt) period                                                                    
was 2015  through 2025.  The debt the  state was  paying had                                                                    
been  incurred since  the moratorium.  He thought  districts                                                                    
would  prefer to  keep being  reimbursed for  debt that  had                                                                    
already occurred.  He explained  that if  districts incurred                                                                    
new  debt, the  state  would not  kick in  a  share. If  the                                                                    
election was  held after  July 1,  2025, districts  would be                                                                    
entitled to a share of state reimbursement at that point.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter  reviewed  direct versus  indirect  sources  on                                                                    
slide 5:                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
   • School districts receive direct funding through the                                                                      
     State foundation and pupil transportation formulas,                                                                        
     federal impact aid and title programs, municipal                                                                           
     contributions, and E-Rate funding.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
   • They also receive indirect funding that does not show                                                                    
     up in their  revenue reports but is spent  by the State                                                                    
     on  their behalf.  This includes  PERS and  TRS funding                                                                    
     above  the employer  caps,  school debt  reimbursement,                                                                    
    school construction and major maintenance funding.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
   • The Census Bureau's school finance data (used for                                                                        
     cross-state comparisons) includes PERS and TRS funding                                                                     
     but not other indirect sources.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
   • Most of this presentation will focus on the foundation                                                                   
     and pupil transportation formulas, as well as                                                                              
     municipal contributions.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter elaborated that when  looking at various ways to                                                                    
slice the funding, there were  different totals that did not                                                                    
add up to  the same thing. For example, [the  pie charts] on                                                                    
slides [3  and 4] did not  add up to the  same thing because                                                                    
one  included  indirect  funding  and  the  other  did  not.                                                                    
Additionally, the  Census Bureau's numbers would  not add up                                                                    
to  the same  thing because  not all  indirect sources  were                                                                    
included.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter moved  to slide 6 showing a chart  of all states                                                                    
education funding  for FY 20  sorted by state  funding (from                                                                    
the U.S. Census Bureau). The  chart sorted the states by per                                                                    
pupil  funding of  state  funds only.  He  reported that  by                                                                    
state funds only,  Alaska ranked fourth in the  nation in FY                                                                    
20.  He noted  that it  was not  necessarily a  particularly                                                                    
logical way  to sort  the bars; the  total funding  bars did                                                                    
not really line  up. He remarked that sometimes  it was said                                                                    
that Alaska spent more on  education than any other state or                                                                    
was in  the top few. He  confirmed that the state  share was                                                                    
fourth in FY  20, but it would  be a bit lower in  FY 23. He                                                                    
explained  that when  considering all  funds, Alaska  ranked                                                                    
  th                                                                                                                            
11   rather than fourth.  The reason for the  difference was                                                                    
that Alaska was ninth nationally  in the proportion of funds                                                                    
coming from state government. While  Alaska had an unusually                                                                    
large  amount  of federal  funding,  it  had a  more  "state                                                                    
heavy"  versus  "municipal  heavy"  education  formula.  The                                                                    
state had  chosen to take  on the majority of  that funding,                                                                    
whereas in many states, there was more of a mix.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:52:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter moved  to  slide 8  titled  "Notes on  National                                                                    
Comparisons." He relayed that Alaska's  formula in FY 20 was                                                                    
64  percent  funded  by state  government  compared  to  the                                                                    
national  median of  about 48  percent. Alaska's  system was                                                                    
more state  heavy. He clarified  it did not mean  the system                                                                    
was more  expensive, but  when doing  a comparison  of state                                                                    
funds  only  it  made  Alaska look  more  expensive  than  a                                                                    
comparison  using all  funds. He  relayed that  Institute of                                                                    
Social  and Economic  Research (ISER)  had done  comparisons                                                                    
adjusting for cost of living differentials.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan looked at  the comparison of education                                                                    
funding for  all states in  FY 20 on  slide 7. She  asked if                                                                    
LFD  had   done  any   analysis  between   municipal  school                                                                    
districts  and REAAs.  She observed  that  other states  had                                                                    
counties  contributing to  local governments.  She clarified                                                                    
she was not advocating for  lowering funds. She asked if the                                                                    
state had  accounted for what  Alaska funded in  city school                                                                    
districts compared to city school  districts in other states                                                                    
versus  Alaska's rural  school districts  and counties  that                                                                    
may contribute.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  answered that he had  not tried to look  at the                                                                    
comparison of  only looking  at municipal  school districts.                                                                    
He considered  the fact that  there were districts  that did                                                                    
not contribute  would likely be  a factor in why  Alaska was                                                                    
relatively state  heavy. He had  done analysis in  the past,                                                                    
but it  was very  speculative and  difficult to  get numbers                                                                    
on. He explained  that if every area in  the state organized                                                                    
there would  be a few  results that would impact  the state.                                                                    
First, the  municipalities would  have a  local contribution                                                                    
in those  areas; however,  the entire  property tax  went to                                                                    
the state in unorganized areas  with significant oil and gas                                                                    
property.  He explained  that if  those areas  organized the                                                                    
municipalities could levy  a tax on the  property that would                                                                    
be  deducted from  the state  tax, which  would result  in a                                                                    
revenue deduction to the state.  There were certain areas in                                                                    
Alaska where the state would lose  money if they had a local                                                                    
government.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter stated  another factor  was  in the  deductible                                                                    
impact aid.  One of the  reasons Alaska was  relatively high                                                                    
on  the federal  funding  number was  due  to a  significant                                                                    
amount  of  impact  aid for  military  activity  and  Alaska                                                                    
Native  tribal  lands  that were  not  taxed.  In  municipal                                                                    
school districts,  the deductible portion of  the impact aid                                                                    
was  multiplied by  a factor  relating to  the local  taxing                                                                    
effort.  The  state  could  only deduct  about  half  of  90                                                                    
percent of deductible impact aid.  For some of the districts                                                                    
with  significant amounts  of local  impact aid,  the amount                                                                    
the state  deducted would go down  by so much that  it would                                                                    
outweigh any local contribution  because their most valuable                                                                    
land was often nontaxable because  it was tribal land. There                                                                    
were many factors  about whether the system  resulted in the                                                                    
state  cost  being  "on  net"  higher  than  if  there  were                                                                    
organized areas. He thought it was ambiguous at best.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:56:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter turned to slide 8a and provided "Basics of                                                                          
Foundation Formula." He provided a brief description of how                                                                     
the formula worked:                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
   • Average Daily Membership (ADM)  student count taken                                                                      
     in 20-day period ending in the last Friday in October                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
   • Adjusted Average Daily Membership (AADM)  student                                                                        
     count as modified by factors:                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
        o Correspondence students are not multiplied by                                                                         
          other factors, but count as 0.9 ADM                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
        o Non-correspondence student count is multiplied                                                                        
          by:                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
             square4 School size factor, providing more funds per                                                               
               student for smaller schools. District values                                                                     
               range   from   1.12   (Anchorage)   to   2.83                                                                    
               (Pelican)                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
             square4 District cost factor, adjusting for cost                                                                   
               differentials   between   districts.   Values                                                                    
               range from 1.000 (Anchorage) to 2.116 (Yukon                                                                     
               Flats)                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
             square4 Special Needs Factor, a   block   grant                                                                    
               multiplying every district's ADM by 1.20                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
             square4 Career and Technical Education (CTE) Factor,                                                               
               a block grant multiplying every district's                                                                       
               ADM by 1.015                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
             square4 Special Education (SPED) Intensive factor,                                                                 
               providing 13x ADM for special education                                                                          
               students in a high-need category                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
   • The AADM is then multiplied by the Base Student                                                                          
     Allocation (BSA) to get Basic Need                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
   • Basic Need is paid by a combination of the required                                                                      
     local contribution, deductible federal impact aid, and                                                                     
     state aid.                                                                                                                 
Mr. Painter  elaborated on slide  8a. He expounded  that the                                                                    
BSA was often  conflated with the entire  formula, but basic                                                                    
need was  the end  result. The state  aid was  calculated by                                                                    
taking   basic   need,   subtracting  the   required   local                                                                    
contribution and the deductible federal impact aid.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Johnson  asked if the  information was  written out                                                                    
in the formula structure somewhere.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  answered that DEED  had a  presentation showing                                                                    
more  detail  on  how the  foundation  formula  worked;  the                                                                    
information was  also on the  DEED website. The  LFD website                                                                    
included the citizen's  guide to the K-12  formula that also                                                                    
showed the calculation  in depth. He offered  to provide the                                                                    
information to the committee.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:01:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Stapp asked  if the  school size  factor was                                                                    
amalgamated  through  the  entire district  or  reflected  a                                                                    
multiplier per school per student.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Painter  answered   it  was   based   on  per   school                                                                    
calculations.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Stapp asked  if someone  had ever  looked at                                                                    
the  urban  districts in  Anchorage  and  Fairbanks and  the                                                                    
number  of  facilities  and students  enrolled  compared  to                                                                    
other  areas. He  stated if  it were  him, he  would try  to                                                                    
maximize potential revenues by considering the idea.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter replied that LFD  did not look at district funds                                                                    
that way. There  was a hold harmless provision  added by the                                                                    
legislature  several years  back that  enabled districts  to                                                                    
consolidate schools  and retain  their previous  school size                                                                    
factor declining over several years  in order to balance the                                                                    
local revenue  piece against cost  savings. He noted  it had                                                                    
been  an  area  of  controversy in  Anchorage  in  the  past                                                                    
several years. The provision had  been added in order enable                                                                    
districts  to get  the  savings  from consolidating  schools                                                                    
rather than  the savings  going to the  state (at  least for                                                                    
the three years of the hold harmless provision).                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Ortiz   looked  at  the   special  education                                                                    
intensive factor  providing 13x the  ADM. He asked  for more                                                                    
detail. He  thought the federal government  had something to                                                                    
do with added funding for the particular category.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter  answered the  federal  government  did have  a                                                                    
funding piece  for the [special  intensive factor],  but the                                                                    
13x was  the state  cost. There may  be other  federal funds                                                                    
available   for  some   students.  To   be  categorized   as                                                                    
intensive,  the district  had to  certify  that the  student                                                                    
needed  the  services and  to  provide  a certain  level  of                                                                    
services to the  student. He deferred to  the department for                                                                    
more detail.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Ortiz  asked if an IEP  [individual education                                                                    
plan] was required to qualify for the funding.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter would follow up.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:04:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Coulombe   followed  up   on  Representative                                                                    
Ortiz's question related to  the special education intensive                                                                    
factor. She relayed that DEED  had explained in subcommittee                                                                    
that the funding  was for children with  severe physical and                                                                    
mental needs.  She agreed  the students would  be on  an IEP                                                                    
and  reiterated  the  funding was  for  students  with  high                                                                    
needs.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hannan  considered  the school  size  factor                                                                    
created  in 1998.  She asked  if the  state had  changed the                                                                    
school size factor  for Hooper Bay in 2022.  She wondered if                                                                    
it was an anomaly.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  replied there were  a couple of kink  points in                                                                    
the  school size  factor  where  a district  lost  out on  a                                                                    
significant amount of  money when its school  size hit those                                                                    
points. He stated  that Hooper Bay had a  charter school and                                                                    
charter schools were treated differently.  He did not recall                                                                    
the  specifics  of  the  bill,  but it  related  to  a  very                                                                    
specific situation around one of the kink points.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Galvin  looked at the local  contribution for                                                                    
education. She knew there was a  cap and that several of the                                                                    
state's   communities  (those   with   taxation)  had   been                                                                    
contributing   to  the   cap.   She  asked   if  there   had                                                                    
historically been  talk about raising  the cap and  what the                                                                    
ramifications  to the  overall formula  and federal  funding                                                                    
would be.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter replied that he  would answer the question on an                                                                    
upcoming slide.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Tomaszewski asked  if there  was an  average                                                                    
total BSA with all of the factors.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  answered the  BSA in statute  was the  same for                                                                    
all districts  and was currently  $5,960 for FY 24.  The BSA                                                                    
was multiplied  by all of  the factors [shown on  slide 8a].                                                                    
He  noted  that  a  subsequent slide  would  show  what  the                                                                    
multipliers ended up being for all of the districts.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Johnson  thanked  Mr. Painter  for  including  the                                                                    
information on slide 8a.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:08:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  discussed foundation  formula history  on slide                                                                    
9. He  relayed that the  current formula was  established in                                                                    
1998 and  the legislature  had modified the  factors several                                                                    
times. He  explained that  $1 in  the BSA in  FY 99  was not                                                                    
equivalent to  $1 in the  BSA in  FY 23. He  elaborated that                                                                    
graphs  showing the  BSA  only did  not  reflect the  entire                                                                    
picture because $1 in the  BSA was not equivalent over time.                                                                    
The same  was true for  looking only at  state contributions                                                                    
over time  versus the  entire amount of  basic need;  it was                                                                    
not  the  entire picture  and  could  be misleading  because                                                                    
there were other payors. The  district cost factors were the                                                                    
largest change.  The original factors  were adopted  in 1998                                                                    
and modified  in 2008 to  implement a study  commissioned by                                                                    
the legislature conducted  in 2005, which was  based on data                                                                    
collected from  FY 00  through FY 03.  The new  factors were                                                                    
phased in  from FY  09 through  FY 13  and had  remained. He                                                                    
stated that  the data behind  the current factors was  20 to                                                                    
25 years old.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter  continued  to review  the  foundation  formula                                                                    
history on  slide 9. The intensive  special education factor                                                                    
had been increased from  5x in FY 10 to 11x in  FY 11 and to                                                                    
13x in FY 12. The factor  had remained at 13x ever since. In                                                                    
FY 15, the  career and technical education  factor was added                                                                    
[Mr. Painter  later corrected that the  career and technical                                                                    
education factor was added in  FY 10] and the correspondence                                                                    
multiplier increased from 0.8 to 0.9.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:10:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Hannan  asked   for  more   information  on                                                                    
district cost  factors. She presumed the  original study had                                                                    
been done  on the  cost of goods  and services  delivered in                                                                    
various areas and looking  at geographic cost differentials.                                                                    
She  asked what  other  things may  have  been included  and                                                                    
whether it reflected things like  a school district losing a                                                                    
building to a fire.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter answered that the  study adopted in 2005 was the                                                                    
third  take  of  the  study. The  original  study  had  been                                                                    
conducted  by  the  McDowell Group  and  had  developed  the                                                                    
original formula.  There was  another study  commissioned by                                                                    
the   legislature    that   had   not    been   implemented.                                                                    
Additionally, DEED  had a  statutory requirement  to develop                                                                    
formula factors every two years.  He explained that when the                                                                    
department had done  so in the early  years, the legislature                                                                    
had rejected DEED's work as  well. Finally, there had been a                                                                    
study conducted in 2005 by  Institute of Social and Economic                                                                    
Research  (ISER)  school  finance experts.  The  ISER  study                                                                    
looked at  a broad  range of factors,  the largest  of which                                                                    
was the difference  in the cost of employees.  The study had                                                                    
considered  what a  teacher needed  to be  paid in  order to                                                                    
have an  equivalent quality  educator throughout  the state.                                                                    
In  addition   to  cost,  the   study  had  looked   at  the                                                                    
desirability of  districts. The study also  included amounts                                                                    
for  energy  costs  based on  actual  costs  experienced  by                                                                    
districts in those years. He  remarked that the energy costs                                                                    
may  have changed  and  the form  of  energy consumption  in                                                                    
those  districts may  have changed.  He  believed there  had                                                                    
been about  11 factors, which also  included shipping costs.                                                                    
The original  study was on  DEED's website. The  attempt had                                                                    
been to  look at all  of the places districts  were spending                                                                    
money and determine  how costs would need to  be adjusted to                                                                    
make them equivalent across districts.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:13:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Galvin  asked  if  anything  popped  out  as                                                                    
something that  one community  may have  changed drastically                                                                    
over another  when considering the many  factors explored by                                                                    
ISER. She  remarked that everyone in  the [Capitol] building                                                                    
was talking about that the  current formula needed to change                                                                    
in terms  of the base  dollar amount. She asked  if anything                                                                    
jumped out  as a  red flag  that needed  to be  fixed before                                                                    
making  a  basic  adjustment  to   help  all  districts  and                                                                    
students.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter replied  that given that the  study was released                                                                    
18 years  back, it was  hard to isolate an  individual thing                                                                    
that  may be  wrong. He  stated that  the study  reflected a                                                                    
very  different  world.  He  elaborated  that  it  had  been                                                                    
conducted  in a  pre-Amazon Prime  world for  shipping costs                                                                    
and there had  been very different energy  prices and energy                                                                    
mixes compared  to the present day.  He highlighted educator                                                                    
salaries and  health insurance and explained  there may have                                                                    
been quite  a number of  differences that had arisen  in the                                                                    
past 25  years that made  it very  difficult to look  at any                                                                    
particular factor as standing out as out of date.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Galvin stated  that much  had changed  in 15                                                                    
years.  She remarked  that everyone  had experienced  Amazon                                                                    
Prime in Alaska. Additionally,  everyone had experienced the                                                                    
changes  in   many  of  the  other   costs  associated  with                                                                    
education including inflation. She  commented that the study                                                                    
had  taken a  significant  amount of  time. She  highlighted                                                                    
that the  schools needed  to be able  to retain  and attract                                                                    
teachers. She reasoned  that if Mr. Painter did  not see any                                                                    
red  flags about  one community  over  another, perhaps  the                                                                    
legislature could still proceed with shoring up education.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:15:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Coulombe  noted that  the previous  year DEED                                                                    
had failed  the 25 percent  disparity test. She asked  if it                                                                    
was a red flag indicating the formula was off.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter answered  that initially  the state  had failed                                                                    
the  disparity test.  He explained  that the  disparity test                                                                    
was  performed  by  the   federal  government  to  determine                                                                    
whether  the  state's  districts  were  equalized  in  their                                                                    
funding. The state  was allowed to use  the adjusted average                                                                    
daily membership  level in the  test. He noted  that because                                                                    
the state  foundation formula was equal  for every district,                                                                    
the  state always  passed that  component. The  variable was                                                                    
local funding.  The reason the  state had failed was  due to                                                                    
the  inclusion  of  the  pupil  transportation  formula.  He                                                                    
clarified  there were  many districts  that did  not have  a                                                                    
pupil transportation  program for practical  reasons. Adding                                                                    
pupil   transportation  [to   items  considered   under  the                                                                    
disparity  test]   had  caused   the  state  to   fail.  The                                                                    
department    had   successfully    appealed,   and    pupil                                                                    
transportation was  now excluded;  therefore, the  state had                                                                    
passed the  disparity test. He  stated he would  address the                                                                    
local funding component on the next slide.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Johnson  asked members to hold  questions until the                                                                    
end of the presentation.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Painter   reviewed   changes  in   state   and   local                                                                    
contributions on slide 10:                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
   • 34 of Alaska's 53 school districts are in organized                                                                      
     areas,  meaning  that  their boundaries  correspond  to                                                                    
     municipal  boundaries. The  remaining 19  districts are                                                                    
     Regional Educational Attendance  Areas (REAAs), with no                                                                    
     municipal government and no taxing power.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
   • Municipal school districts have a required local                                                                         
     contribution and a maximum local contribution.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
   • Until FY01, the required local contribution is the                                                                       
     lesser of  4 mills (0.4%  of property value) or  45% of                                                                    
     Basic  Need.  From  FY02  to  FY11,  only  50%  of  the                                                                    
     increase  in  property values  could  be  added to  the                                                                    
     local  contribution   each  year,  resulting   in  many                                                                    
     districts paying less  than 4 mills. From  FY12 on, the                                                                    
     contribution has  been fixed  at 2.65  mills or  45% of                                                                    
     Basic Need.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  elaborated on the  third bullet point  on slide                                                                    
10. The  required local contribution had  increased over the                                                                    
entire period faster  than the education formula  as a whole                                                                    
because local property tax values  had increased faster than                                                                    
the  educational formula  despite  the lower  mill rate.  He                                                                    
reviewed the last bullet point on the slide:                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
   • The maximum optional local contribution for most                                                                         
     districts  is 23%  of Basic  Need,  allowing Alaska  to                                                                    
     pass  the federal  disparity  test  (which requires  no                                                                    
     more  than  25%  difference  in funding  per  AADM  and                                                                    
     allows  Alaska  to  deduct  $73.3  million  of  federal                                                                    
     impact aid from the State share of funding).                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  elaborated on  the last  bullet point  on slide                                                                    
10. He explained that if the  state did not pass the federal                                                                    
disparity test, it  could not deduct the  federal impact aid                                                                    
from basic  need. He elaborated  that districts  would still                                                                    
receive  the $73.3  million  in impact  aid,  but the  state                                                                    
would not be  able to deduct it from its  local share, which                                                                    
would  cause state  cost  to increase  by  $73 million.  The                                                                    
legislature  had  made  the policy  decision  to  cap  local                                                                    
contributions  in  order  to ensure  the  state  passed  the                                                                    
disparity  test and  to  keep costs  down  by deducting  the                                                                    
federal impact  aid. He clarified  that if the  state failed                                                                    
the  disparity  test  and allowed  districts  to  contribute                                                                    
whatever  they  wanted,  it  would result  in  a  much  more                                                                    
unequal formula. He expounded  that there would be districts                                                                    
receiving impact aid that would  not be deducted; therefore,                                                                    
those districts  would receive much  more federal  money and                                                                    
total  funding. He  explained that  districts with  high tax                                                                    
bases would  be able to  contribute much more  because there                                                                    
would be no  cap. Districts without a local tax  base and no                                                                    
impact aid  would be no  better off  and the state  would be                                                                    
picking up their cost.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:21:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  advanced to a bar  chart on slide 11  showing a                                                                    
history  of the  average daily  membership in  blue and  the                                                                    
adjusted average daily membership in  red. He noted that LFD                                                                    
could provide  the data  prior to FY  05 at  the committee's                                                                    
request.  He  highlighted  that   the  ADM  had  not  really                                                                    
increased over time.  In FY 05, the ADM had  been just under                                                                    
$131,000  and it  had been  around $130,000  ever since.  He                                                                    
noted the number  of students had been about  the same since                                                                    
the  late 1990s.  The number  of  students in  the AADM  had                                                                    
increased substantially beginning in FY  09 through FY 13 as                                                                    
the new district cost factors  came online. He remarked that                                                                    
it was  important to  look at the  difference because  a BSA                                                                    
only chart made it look like funding  in FY 08 and FY 24 was                                                                    
multiplied  against the  same thing,  but that  was not  the                                                                    
case; there was a significant difference from year to year.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter  turned  to  slide 12  showing  the  impact  of                                                                    
factors per non-correspondence ADM from  FY 05 to FY 24. The                                                                    
chart reflected  the relative value  of each of  the factors                                                                    
and  how it  had  changed  over time.  The  data showed  the                                                                    
impact  of  the  various  factors   on  an  individual  non-                                                                    
correspondence student.  The school  size factor  had mostly                                                                    
remained  the  same with  the  exception  of FY  21  because                                                                    
during  the COVID-19  pandemic many  students had  gone from                                                                    
brick  and  mortar  classrooms to  correspondence  programs,                                                                    
which triggered hold harmless  provisions in many districts.                                                                    
In  FY  21,  there  was  a spike  in  the  school  size/hold                                                                    
harmless   multiplier.  The   cost  factor   multiplier  had                                                                    
increased  significantly  as a  result  of  building in  the                                                                    
higher cost  factors from FY  09 through FY 13.  The special                                                                    
needs factor was 1.2 every year  and did not change. The new                                                                    
career  and  education factor  began  at  .1  in FY  10  and                                                                    
increased to .15  in FY 15. He noted an  error on a previous                                                                    
slide  [slide 9]  specifying that  it  began in  FY 15.  The                                                                    
multiplier  for the  special  education  intensives went  up                                                                    
several times  over the FY  09 through  FY 13 period  due to                                                                    
the  higher multiplier  and more  students being  counted as                                                                    
intensives when more funding was  available. He relayed that                                                                    
between FY 05 to FY 08 each  ADM had been worth about 1.6 to                                                                    
1.7 AADM, compared  to the present number of  about 2.2. The                                                                    
result  of   all  of   the  changes   in  the   factors  was                                                                    
significantly more  money going out  to districts per  $1 in                                                                    
the BSA.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:26:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Stapp provided  an example  where a  student                                                                    
started  off  in  the  school   system  and  enrolled  in  a                                                                    
correspondence program  through their  own brick  and mortar                                                                    
school district.  Under the scenario  he asked if  brick and                                                                    
mortar  schools could  use the  hold  harmless provision  to                                                                    
maintain brick and mortar funding.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  answered it could  be done through the  life of                                                                    
the  hold harmless,  but not  repeatedly. He  stated it  had                                                                    
happened  in some  cases where  students  had switched  from                                                                    
brick  and  mortar to  correspondence  in  their own  school                                                                    
district.  He explained  that the  action had  triggered the                                                                    
hold harmless provision and the  student had been counted as                                                                    
a correspondence  student. The schools had  seen an increase                                                                    
in funding,  but it had  largely worked its way  through the                                                                    
formula  "at   this  point"  because  the   three-year  hold                                                                    
harmless  period had  concluded.  He confirmed  that in  the                                                                    
first year  some districts had  been able to get  funding on                                                                    
both  sides.  He highlighted  that  many  schools without  a                                                                    
correspondence  program had  lost students.  He stated  that                                                                    
the impact had been disparate by district.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative Galvin  was interested in the  different cost                                                                    
multipliers that changed from FY  09 to FY 15. She mentioned                                                                    
the  school size  factor. She  asked  for verification  that                                                                    
special education and special needs were not included.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter  answered that  the  district  cost factor  had                                                                    
changed from FY 09 through  FY 13. Additionally, the special                                                                    
education  multiplier increased  from  5 to  13  from FY  09                                                                    
through FY 12.  He pointed to the green portion  of the bars                                                                    
on  slide  12 reflecting  an  increase  in the  cost  factor                                                                    
multiplier from FY  09 through FY 13. The  orange portion of                                                                    
the  bars  showed  an  increase  in  the  special  education                                                                    
intensives from FY 09 to FY 12.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Galvin  stated  her understanding  that  the                                                                    
special  needs factor  and the  special education  intensive                                                                    
factor  were intended  to address  legal challenges  brought                                                                    
against  the  state. She  asked  for  verification that  the                                                                    
state could not make changes to reduce the items.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter responded  it was not optional for  the state to                                                                    
pay for  the items,  but the  payment method  was up  to the                                                                    
legislature. The  13x multiplier had been  selected based on                                                                    
districts presenting the actual  costs for students, finding                                                                    
that  the factor  did not  meet the  actual costs  districts                                                                    
were facing. The change was  made based on the feedback from                                                                    
districts  on  the costs  they  were  experiencing and  what                                                                    
multiplier was needed to meet  the costs. The multiplier had                                                                    
been selected by  the legislature based on  the feedback. He                                                                    
explained that  some states specified  that the  state would                                                                    
pick  up any  cost over  a certain  dollar figure  directly.                                                                    
Other  states allowed  districts to  submit invoices  to the                                                                    
state for  costs incurred for  students. Other states  had a                                                                    
more  complex  system  where there  may  be  many  different                                                                    
levels  of  need and  different  factors  for the  different                                                                    
levels. He stated  it was another system the  state could go                                                                    
to. It was  difficult because the costs did have  to be paid                                                                    
by the  district; it was  just a  question of how  the state                                                                    
chose to  fund the costs.  The state had  the constitutional                                                                    
responsibility to provide for assisting public schools.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:31:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter looked at the  BSA history in nominal dollars on                                                                    
slide 13.  He reiterated his earlier  statement that looking                                                                    
at the BSA  alone was misleading because it  did not include                                                                    
all funding. The chart showed  a significant increase in the                                                                    
BSA  from FY  05  through FY  07. The  BSA  had not  changed                                                                    
substantially since  that time. He highlighted  that between                                                                    
FY 07  and FY  24 the  number had  increased from  $5,380 to                                                                    
$5,960.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter moved to slide  14 and discussed the BSA history                                                                    
in FY 22  dollars. Over the last 20 years  the peak BSA year                                                                    
was FY 07  (the last year of a three-year  increase) and the                                                                    
number had since  declined. The BSA was  currently below the                                                                    
lowest  it  had been  in  the  last  20 years  adjusted  for                                                                    
inflation. He noted  that FY 23 and FY 24  were based on 2.5                                                                    
percent inflation projections.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:33:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  looked at  a chart titled  "Basic Need,  FY 05-                                                                    
FY24 Projection (Nominal dollars)"  on slide 15. He believed                                                                    
the slide  was more useful  than the prior slide  because it                                                                    
included the  differences in the factors  and differences in                                                                    
the BSA  in the  total funding amount.  In terms  of nominal                                                                    
dollars, the required local  contributions had increased for                                                                    
the entire  period despite  the 4  percent dropping  to 2.65                                                                    
percent  [shown on  slide 10].  The deductible  state impact                                                                    
aid had also increased state  funding and had increased over                                                                    
the period but had been  relatively flat since around FY 18.                                                                    
He noted  the slide did  not include funding outside  of the                                                                    
foundation formula.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  addressed a  chart titled  "Basic Need,  FY 05-                                                                    
FY24  Projection (FY22  dollars)"  on slide  16. He  relayed                                                                    
that despite  the BSA being  $1,000 lower, the  factors were                                                                    
much bigger and as  a result the amounts in FY  05 and FY 24                                                                    
were  relatively  similar. The  slide  showed  a peak  total                                                                    
funding level in  FY 17 with a reduction to  the FY 05 level                                                                    
in FY 24 in terms of  total basic need in inflation adjusted                                                                    
dollars. He  noted that  factor dollars  did not  impact all                                                                    
districts equally.  He explained  that Anchorage was  one in                                                                    
all of  the scenarios because  it had always been  the base.                                                                    
He  elaborated that  Anchorage did  not receive  an increase                                                                    
from the  school size  factor, but  other districts  did. He                                                                    
highlighted that while  FY 05 and FY 24 were  [close to] the                                                                    
same, they  were not necessarily  the same on a  district by                                                                    
district level  (some districts may have  benefited from the                                                                    
higher  school size  factor  adjustments,  while others  did                                                                    
not).                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:35:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter   turned  to  a   chart  on  slide   17  titled                                                                    
"Foundation  Funding  Plus  Additional Formula  Funding  and                                                                    
Pupil Transportation, FY05-24  (Nominal dollars)." The slide                                                                    
layered in  the pupil transportation formula  and additional                                                                    
formula funding.  He detailed that the  pupil transportation                                                                    
formula   went   to   districts  that   operated   a   pupil                                                                    
transportation  system (busses  and aircraft  in one  case).                                                                    
The amounts had been a fixed  amount per student since FY 15                                                                    
with no adjustments.  Prior to that there  had been periodic                                                                    
inflation adjustments, the most  recent was implemented from                                                                    
FY  13 through  FY 15.  The  program had  originally been  a                                                                    
state reimbursement  program where the state  reimbursed the                                                                    
actual  costs  experienced  by districts.  The  program  had                                                                    
subsequently  switched  to a  per  ADM  grant and  had  been                                                                    
rebased a few times in the  mid-2000s and early 2010s to try                                                                    
to adjust  to the  actual cost districts  were experiencing.                                                                    
The  rebasing had  not occurred  in  over a  decade and  the                                                                    
number  had not  been inflation  adjusted since  FY 15.  The                                                                    
green  portion  of  the  bar  reflected  additional  funding                                                                    
provided  by the  state  on top  of the  BSA  formula to  be                                                                    
distributed  according to  the  formula  (including the  $57                                                                    
million in FY 23).                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter turned to slide  18 and reviewed a chart showing                                                                    
the same  information but  in FY 22  dollars. The  peak year                                                                    
was no longer  FY 17 as it  was based on BSA  only; the peak                                                                    
year was now  FY 15 because of outside  the formula funding.                                                                    
He noted that FY 24 was comparable to FY 05.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:37:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter looked at slide  19 and addressed a chart titled                                                                    
"Foundation Funding  Plus Additional Formula  Funding, Pupil                                                                    
Transportation, and  Additional Local  Contribution, FY05-24                                                                    
(Nominal  Dollars)." The  slide  added  in optional  funding                                                                    
from local government.  He noted the slide did  not show the                                                                    
complete  picture,  but  included   funding  that  went  out                                                                    
through  the  formula   and  municipal  appropriations.  The                                                                    
amounts  had increased  a bit  over time  because they  were                                                                    
based  on basic  need. He  explained the  amounts could  not                                                                    
really  increase much  faster  than  basic need;  therefore,                                                                    
additional    local    contributions   had    not    changed                                                                    
substantially over time.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter  turned to  slide  20  and discussed  the  same                                                                    
information  [shown  on slide  19]  in  FY 22  dollars  with                                                                    
inflation  adjustments. He  stated it  was a  pretty similar                                                                    
picture to the last several slides.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:38:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter turned to slide  21 and discussed funding levers                                                                    
for  the legislature.  He stated  that  the legislature  had                                                                    
several  levers   to  impact   school  funding,   each  with                                                                    
different  impacts  to districts.  The  first  was the  BSA,                                                                    
which  provided  across-the-board   funding  to  all  school                                                                    
districts  on  an   equal  per-adjusted-student  basis.  The                                                                    
second   was   outside-the-formula    funding,   which   was                                                                    
distributed the  same way,  but as  a one-time  item through                                                                    
the  budget. He  noted  that districts  did not  necessarily                                                                    
want to  build the  funding into their  base because  of the                                                                    
one-time nature of  the funding. The third  was changing the                                                                    
formula factors that would  affect districts differently. He                                                                    
explained  that  the option  could  result  in more  funding                                                                    
going  to some  districts  and less  funding  going to  some                                                                    
districts. The  method could  be used  to target  funding to                                                                    
particular  districts or  particular types  of districts  in                                                                    
need. In the past there  had often been studies to determine                                                                    
the cost factors, some of which were never implemented.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter continued to review  funding levers on slide 21.                                                                    
The fourth lever  was the TRS on-behalf payment  cap of 12.5                                                                    
percent. He explained  that adjusting the payment  cap up or                                                                    
down  would  change  the  amount  districts  paid  in  their                                                                    
budget,  which  provided  an  equal  amount  of  funding  to                                                                    
districts on  a per-employee salary basis  (rather than per-                                                                    
student). He  pointed out that  changing TRS funding  or the                                                                    
BSA  by   an  equivalent   amount  would   impact  districts                                                                    
differently.  The fifth  lever  was to  change the  required                                                                    
local  contribution of  2.65 mills.  He  explained it  would                                                                    
shift who paid  between State and local  governments, but it                                                                    
would not  necessarily impact the amount  of money districts                                                                    
received.  The last  lever on  slide  21 was  to change  the                                                                    
local   contribution   cap,   which  could   allow   greater                                                                    
contributions by  some municipalities,  but it  could result                                                                    
in  losing an  equalized formula,  which would  increase the                                                                    
state  costs   but  would  provide  more   funding  to  some                                                                    
districts.  He  offered  that   LFD  could  provide  numbers                                                                    
showing  how different  levers  would  impact districts.  He                                                                    
noted there  were a  few additional  options that  were more                                                                    
complex.  The  presentation   contained  several  appendices                                                                    
showing the numbers behind some of the slides.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:41:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Galvin referenced  slide 12  and noted  that                                                                    
the special education factor had  been increased to 13 by FY                                                                    
12.  She was  hearing  a  lot of  buzz  about  the topic  in                                                                    
various  news reports.  She  stated  her understanding  that                                                                    
changing the  BSA in  a way  that did  not look  at specific                                                                    
students   would  be   to  the   detriment  of   some  rural                                                                    
communities. She asked for comment.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  answered that if  the special needs  factor was                                                                    
eliminated and  replaced with a  block grant,  the districts                                                                    
with  a disproportionate  number of  the students  would not                                                                    
have sufficient funding. The  special education factor count                                                                    
by  district  was  not equivalent;  the  students  were  not                                                                    
equally  distributed throughout  the  state  and there  were                                                                    
significant  differences on  a district  by district  level.                                                                    
There would  be some districts  that would likely  be better                                                                    
off  and other  districts (especially  small districts)  may                                                                    
not have the resources to handle the costs.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter  continued  to answer  Representative  Galvin's                                                                    
question.  He referenced  a special  needs  block grant  and                                                                    
relayed  that the  legislature had  commissioned a  study in                                                                    
2015  that  looked  at the  formula.  The  study  considered                                                                    
whether the  special needs factor  should be converted  to a                                                                    
per student  formula providing  different levels  of funding                                                                    
based on  counts of  special needs  students. The  study had                                                                    
found there  were significant differences  in the  number of                                                                    
special   needs   students,  especially   English   language                                                                    
learners, by  district. The  study recommended  looking into                                                                    
turning  the block  grant into  a counted  program like  the                                                                    
special  education program.  There were  differences in  the                                                                    
underlying  characteristics  of  districts  that  the  block                                                                    
grant  did   not  reach,   whereas  the   special  education                                                                    
intensives  did,  but only  for  certain  students with  the                                                                    
highest level of need.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Galvin   appreciated  the   explanation  and                                                                    
wanted to make  certain the state did not set  itself up for                                                                    
litigation. She  surmised that the per  pupil transportation                                                                    
had changed.  She stated  that originally  there had  been a                                                                    
reimbursement. She considered larger  districts and the fact                                                                    
that  buses had  to run  whether  they were  picking up  one                                                                    
student or 24. She noted that  it had not changed since 2015                                                                    
and  local governments  had tried  to  contribute what  they                                                                    
could. She asked if it would  be more beneficial for some of                                                                    
the larger districts to move back to receipts.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  responded that he  had looked at  the reasoning                                                                    
behind   why  the   legislature   chose  to   go  from   the                                                                    
reimbursement  method to  a  per student  method  (it was  a                                                                    
different  per student  amount by  district  based on  their                                                                    
historical cost).  The reasoning  was to  try to  ensure the                                                                    
accountability for the funding  was with the districts where                                                                    
districts  would provide  the services  for the  lowest cost                                                                    
possible  because  they  received  a  set  amount  of  money                                                                    
instead  of  getting reimbursed  no  matter  what the  costs                                                                    
were. The legislature had rebased  the numbers several times                                                                    
after looking  at what districts  were actually  spending on                                                                    
pupil transportation  versus how much the  state was paying.                                                                    
He believed  the most recent  change had  been in FY  13. He                                                                    
stated it was  a policy choice, but the  legislature had not                                                                    
gone  back   to  determine  whether  costs   districts  were                                                                    
incurring for pupil  transportation being adequately covered                                                                    
by  the   pupil  transportation  formula  or   whether  some                                                                    
districts were over funded or underfunded.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:47:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative    Galvin    asked    about    funding    for                                                                    
transportation  and  classroom   learning.  She  thought  it                                                                    
sounded  like there  were opportunities  in  place to  shore                                                                    
them up  in a lasting  way. She  asked what Mr.  Painter was                                                                    
hearing from  superintendents about the preference  for one-                                                                    
time funding versus a systemic BSA increase.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter  replied  that  he  had  not  spoken  with  any                                                                    
superintendents  in  the  current   year.  He  relayed  that                                                                    
generally  the districts  preferred  predictable funding  in                                                                    
the BSA.  He explained  that one-time  funding would  not be                                                                    
included in the  budget the following year, just  as the $57                                                                    
million in FY 23 was not  included in the base FY 24 budget.                                                                    
He   explained  that   changing   the   BSA  provided   more                                                                    
consistency from  year to year.  He stated that  the outside                                                                    
the  formula  funding had  been  used  when the  legislature                                                                    
wanted to  provide more money  than it was  comfortable with                                                                    
giving permanently.  He relayed that districts  would prefer                                                                    
getting  more money  in statute  versus in  an appropriation                                                                    
bill.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Johnson  thanked Mr. Painter for  the presentation.                                                                    
She reviewed the schedule for the following day.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
HB  39  was   HEARD  and  HELD  in   committee  for  further                                                                    
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
HB  41  was   HEARD  and  HELD  in   committee  for  further                                                                    
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:49:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 3:49 p.m.                                                                                          

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
DEED Budget Overview H FIN 02.28.23.pdf HFIN 2/28/2023 1:30:00 PM
HB 39
HFIN LFD Foundation Presentation 2-28-23.pdf HFIN 2/28/2023 1:30:00 PM
LFD BSA Presentation
(H)FIN 2.28.23 DEED Budget Overview Follow-up Responses.pdf HFIN 2/28/2023 1:30:00 PM
Enclosure 3 - BSA Inflation Pencil Chart from Alaska Council of School Administrators.pdf HFIN 2/28/2023 1:30:00 PM
DEED - HFIN Follow-up
Enclosure 2 - DEED Budget Overview H FIN 02.28.23 rev 03.02.23.pdf HFIN 2/28/2023 1:30:00 PM
DEED - HFIN Follow-up
Enclosure 4 - FY23 ILC Grant Payout_SLED.pdf HFIN 2/28/2023 1:30:00 PM
DEED HFIN Follow up
Enclosure 1 - DEED EARL 2023 Report revised 3-7-2023.pdf HFIN 2/28/2023 1:30:00 PM
DEED - HFIN Follow-up